Wednesday, June 01, 2005

Guidance

I was thinking about guidance and how people find it. I read another blog about how someone was checking out astrology. I asked them what it was that they gained from this, beacuse I'm quite curious what people gain from astrological readings, because I don't believe in it. They basically said they didn't believe in it, it was just fun, and something you can read into whatever you like. This got me thinking.

Why then go to anything if all you're doing is seeing what you want to see? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of going to an outside source for guidance and direction? Just make it that's all your going to do anyway! They compared going to astrological readings like going to the bible for direction. I shared with them my views that the bible is much more than just reading into it what you like. If that's all you do, then I agree that reading the bible can be pointless, you aren't reading what's really there at all. It's just another comfort source in that case. God quite often tells me things in the bible that I don't necessarily want to hear.

Any text without a context is a pretext (as someone wise I know one said). When I read the bible I think it's important to ask "What did it mean to them then?" Then I can take the underlying principle and apply it to my own life. And that's not always what I want to hear, but it is what I need to hear. If no one got guidance from an outside source then I think we'd all be screwed. Wait! That's why the world is screwed!!! 6 billion people just doing what they feel is right (if we're lucky. It's usually what they WANT to do). No wonder we have wars and conflict over difference of opinion. Everyone does what is best for them, which is not best for everyone.

I love the bible. I think we need a steady source of guidance rather than doing what feels good. Who else could provide that other than an all powerful God who loves each one of us as his own percious child?

21 Comments:

  1. Ludicrousity said...
    I would love it if you backed up those statements with some evidence. While that is a common perception of Christianity if is far from the truth. I don't see many Christian extremists around. I'm not saying that nothing evil has even been done in the name of Christianity, because obviously there has, the crusades for example. But Christianity was then just a name for a political power, it was not about following God and the bible. It was a label. No where in the bible does it teach to hate or be violent. Was Jesus ever seen to do anything that even remotely resembles anything evil?

    There are people who use the bible to back up their own selfish choices, but that is not what the bible teaches. That is merely people, once again, reading into things what they want to see. Like what I was saying in my blog.

    Anything can be manipulated if that is your desire, and yes, some people have used Christianity to do so. But that does not mean that Christianity is the thing that is wrong. It is the manipulator of the situation, not the false use of the context behind it.
    Bowen said...
    If Christians can't show what Christianity is through living it, then Christianity is lost; it's a living faith.
    By the way, what is a bible?
    Anonymous said...
    Ah ha! you're a sentimentalist b.a.p.! No different to Ludicrouisity! Look Fuerbach and Nietche are right! Face it there is NO God! No creator! NO ultimate meaning! Social values are but the instincts of the herd refined by civilisation.

    Face it, mother nature is bloodthirsty and red of claw, thrusting up species to watch them compete and die. She rewards the ruthless and terminates the weak. Domination and power to exploit your environment for as long as you can against competion is ALL we have... You know that is right, eh, 'poser? You are too weak to face it and have manufactured yourself the emotional teddybear called 'spiriuality' to give yourself cold comfort in a cold world... you yearn for the same certainty as Ludicrouisity

    But either Ludicrousity is actually right and some external Being has spoken into your universe ... or else all religious thoughts and books are but the opiate of the masses, as someone once said. You've checked out her bible and found it to be crap - as well as other organised religion? Excellent! well face the consequences with courage!!

    rh
    Anonymous said...
    Woah, I'm all for a healthy dose of philosophy, but debates aren't my thing.

    Personally, yeah, I'm Christian, and I believe that there is a God, and that he has a will, and that we are at our best when we fulfil the purpose we are destined for, to be with him.

    Of course, I'm not one to go on huge rants involving point by point deconstructions, but hey, that is what I believe. And, sadly unlike many, I have actually gathered up the courage to put my faith in something without waiting for it to conform to my conditions, and in return it has shown me what I needed to hear, and what my heart longed to hear.

    Anywho, there's just so many small things in this world that make me think, and that support the idea of a loving God who wants a relationship with us and that we are meant to rely on Him. One for example, is throughout history, tales of heroes and legends, they are all of someone who rose above the people, whom the people could rely on who wouldn't fail them. The fact that these themes re-occur throughout history seems to imply a build in human need to rely on something greater than them to get them through.

    Another, just for fun, is depression. Some look at it as becoming aware of the pointlessness of life, I say it is a crying out that the most vital part of what makes life meaningful is missing, as though God is a vital puzzle piece needed to make life work in it's entirety.

    Just random thoughts, that strike me as intriguing. :)
    Bowen said...
    I figure even if there isn't a god in the end, i will still be able to know that i served others, maybe not know because there wouldn't be a god but something. Really there would be no point to living otherwise.
    Each of us to his own serving of man.
    I can really stongly relate to your view of oraganised religion Bigassposer. We need to find our own purspose. ;)
    Ludicrousity said...
    BAP, does this mean that art is a form of god for you? Isn't that (art) yet another thing where you see what you want to see? How does it define meaning and purpose? I can't see how something so subjective can possibibly be fulfilling in a quest for meaning. I'm not saying that art isn't wonderful. I appreciate art in many forms. But that seems to me as empty as the things were you describing as empty, as far as purpose goes. Where do we go for wisdom and guidance if not to an external, and constant source?
    Anonymous said...
    Ok Guys take a chill pill, someone said somewhere Christianity isnt right for everyone, and my own mother believes God chooses his people, so i think we should let people believe what they like without others forcing our own opinions down their throats... even though it's cool to see what others think about stuff...

    Me personally, i believe there is a God but at this point in my life i find it hard to believe IN him. In fact i have no doubts that god exisits considering i have seen the changes in my friends lives as they have accepted God as their personal saviour, but i seriously go mental if they try to tell me what i should believe...
    If God has chosen me as one of his people i have no doubts that i will eventually seek him out again in my life, but like i said... at this point, i'm finding it easier without him and his rules.
    I find it funny that people say they dont know how i can believe in him and not want to follow him... it's easy enough... i just be myself rather than who God wants me to be... ignoring God is pretty easy, although i do sometimes find myself taking to him occasioanlly when i forget who i am now... just proves old habbits die hard.
    Anonymous said...
    Hey what's going on at this blog, my ears are popping just like when keanu dropped down the huge elevator at the start of Speed! There's about FIVE philosophy essays on this page and may i commend you all on your honesty, but I get vertigo getting to the bottom post!

    Love your honesty bigassposer ( not sure that name matches your character, honestthinker sounds better, but as a name it totally sucks!). I love art.Great place to start. Love Starry Night! But be cautious, art as a metaphor for value can be dangerous. Hitler was an artist, so stark, so graphic, so confronting was his performance art!

    Ludicrousity: Your faith is obviously very real to you... Does it affect your life so that people notice it,like bowen says?

    That rh sounds like a desparately crusty old fart!

    Hi Nomes! Good for you! I think I don't believe in the same god you don't too! the god of rules.

    I wonder if you want him to seek you out... like you say. What do you think he wants to 'save' you from, as you put it?

    therevhead
    ps . hows the househunting?
    Ludicrousity said...
    I agree with the philsophy essay statement! WOW! But I'm impressed that this got people thinking and discussing so much. I'm loving it!

    I agree with therevhead. The God I know doesn't impose rules on me. He merely offers me help when I'll accept it and shares with me the way He created me. No one knows how things work better than the creator, and it seems to be the same for humans in my experience.

    If God is real, and He did create us, wouldn't He know better than I ever could how I should live my life? I can't imagine it would be possible for me to ignore him and do my own thing and for it to work better than the way He intended me to live.

    And in response to something else you said revhead. I should hope that people are aware of my faith simply by the way I live, but I am aware of my short comings, and I know that I do not always live the way that I would want to. I'm sure to people it does not always look like I live like a Christian. I am highly flawed, but it is always something I am working on.
    Anonymous said...
    Yadda yadda, i dont really wanna get to deep into this because, its a bit of a sore topic 4 me. But house hunting has stopped 4 a little while as i'm staying with friends but i am still looking for places.
    Anonymous said...
    thanks everyone for a great read, remind me to look you all up next time i have to do any essays on anything remotely theological to give one of you a call :)

    this is so much better than other posts i've read that have just been like two groups butting heads together - none of that here. a mind streching experience 2 thumbs up!
    Anonymous said...
    i love that "Any text without a context is a pretext" too
    Anonymous said...
    Heh heh, nothing like civilized conversations about deeper subject matters. I have to applaude y'all for keeping it real. :)
    Anonymous said...
    I can take credit for starting alot of this off. What I see as wrong with Christianity is the fact that it is being shoved into my face from every direction. Politicians, teachers, and every Tom, Dick, and Harry on the street is shouting out their personal ideas about religion and "The Truth" without willing to consider anyone else's ideas. I believe Lud, as I like to call her, is a good Christian, she is in the minority. As for where all the fundies are, you must not be in the midwest. They're all over the place out here. There. Hopefully this causes more arguments. I love being an instigator. :D
    Anonymous said...
    I know what you mean about some people shoving Christianity in peoples' faces. It certainly does happen. But I don't think the problem is with Christianity itself, but rather the way some people present it to (or in some cases, impose it on) others.
    Ludicrousity said...
    Exactly Orby! I would see that as an issue of communication that has to do with the individual, not Christianity itself. It's about knowing to how share your faith with others. Shoving it down someone's throat is more likely to turn them off it than convert them anyway. It's not the message that's the issue, it's the messenger.
    Ludicrousity said...
    Once again this is all pointing to the people who use Christianity as a face to push what they want to be pushing. It does not address the question of the message of Christianity. It seems to me that you don't like what Christianity has been used to mask, rather than being opposed to the message itself. I hate that people use it as a front to get their own way, but once again that is a problem with humanity and the inate selfishness of man, not a problem with God and His love for us.
    Anonymous said...
    I read Revalations, Amos, and Geneses today. Geneses is a record of events and the providence of primative explanasions. Amos is a lesson about justice that I think many people should read. Revalations is difficled to interprate becaus eit requires so much context, but that doesn't stop it from being inspireing. I have read the Bible almost cover to cover, I have observed at length the religiouse situation in society today, I have learnt, studied and resurched extensively everthing from elolution to particel physics, I have seen the churches and the way they work and what they are doing to the world and what they have always done to it, and I believe. I have seen nothing that tells me that God isn't there, and that he doesn't love us in a way that we can never understand. Organised religion has done a lot of damage I agree, but we as humans can only worship the way we have been tought to. It is only natural that we get it wrong. I love art and don't believe that Starry Night could not have been created if it wasn't God's will. He chooses who goes crazzy and cuts there ears off and who doesn't. The churches arn't as solid a there foundation the rock, otherwise they would not have split up in the book of Acts. Not all of the Bible should be followed letter by letter, technicly then we're not alowed to wear clothing made from more then one fabric. True Christianity I believe is not a religion, it's a ralationship with Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Bowen said...
    *does something else stupid*

    LOOK AT ME! Please! *juggles fruit.*
    Anonymous said...
    I taught myself to juggle, but I can't remember why. BAP, I'm a Nebraskan, where all the religious nuts come. I agree that we are not attacking the ideals of Christianity (Love thy neighbor, etc.), but the people and situations that are becoming part of our daily lives. I don't know if they have them in australia, but I can remember while growing up, the televangelists singing about charity while wearing a $5000 suit. We have a president who ends speaches about taxes with "God Bless America" and every third car has a yellow ribbon and a metal fish on their back bumper. Its always interesting to get the "I'm a good Christian" speech from people who have never actually read the bible. Or, more fun, those who carry their bible with them and bring it out into everyday conversation. Makes it difficult to discuss baseball (Go Cubs) when someone is preaching at you.
    Anonymous said...
    Oh, and an interesting comment on religion and politics: There are three religions that all came from the same (human) source (Abraham): Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. All have the same creation story, all go back to the same source, and all are trying to wipe the others out in the name of religion. Interesting, isn't it.

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