Friday, April 06, 2007

What Good Is It?

I was reading something on a Christiany blog the other day, but it all sounded a little airy fairy spiritual to me. I like things that give people a handle on what to do, not just a bunch of nice ideas that don't leave people with direction, and tangible things to do in life. We need to be empowered to live as God wants us to in the real world where we interact with the messiness of life. Not to live a nice Christian life where we are untouched by the world and it's 'dirt'. What good is our faith if we can't live in the real world?

Also, on another 'faith' note. I was at the John Butler free gig last night (which was freaking awesome by the way!!!!!) and afterwards Myf, Jay & the Doctor were saying their wrap up things, and the Doctor wished us all a happy "non denominational, non religious specific, April long weekend". What the?! It's about Jesus! It's one thing for you not to agree with Christianty and the whole thing about Easter and Jesus. That's everyone's choice. But why cover up the fact that that's what Easter is about? Why do we need to hide the fact that it's about Jesus, whether you are a Christian or not? That's why we celebrate Easter. If we did that with Ramadan there would be an uproar! It would be so offensive and so politically incorrect. So why can we do it with Easter?

29 Comments:

  1. Anonymous said...
    get real, we aussies love long week ends and if we can used and need reasons it is good.
    Ludicrousity said...
    That doesn't make sense. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
    Anonymous said...
    long weekends are good, religion is not, but if i can get a long weekend thru' religion i will take it,
    Ludicrousity said...
    How can you say religion is not good? It may not be good in your opinion, but that doesn't mean that others don't find it good. In fact I'm sure a lot of people would say it is more than good.

    But even if you want to claim that, the issue is that Easter is because of Jesus, that's the reason it exisits. So why do we hide that? Like I said, you don't have to agree with it, but why do we feel the need to negate it?
    Anonymous said...
    religion is good if i get holidays and excuse to eat cholate, was easter invented by jesus or by pagens, also lets not forget the commerial side, keep those easter eggs comming and lets bake those hot cross buns, (gee when did i see my 1st hot xbun in the shops,.
    Anonymous said...
    easter isn't just christian.
    It also belongs to a pagan festival for the goddess eostre...hence the eggs and bunny (originally a hare) all symbols of fertility, like spring.
    Anonymous said...
    it is also jewish passoever, so i hope we all enjoyed our non denomination long weekend break.
    Rob said...
    So because there's so many other things at the same time we'd still have the same long weekend even without Easter, huh? I don't think so. The reason Easter is on our calendar is because it is based (whether you like it or not) on the Christian calendar.


    So why do we try to hide the meaning of Easter? Probably for a couple of reasons:

    1. It's not 'cool' to be Christian or do Christan things.

    2. We don't want to offend anyone. What a joke. I'm not a Muslim, but Ramadan doesn't 'offend' me. And I've heard Muslims say that Christian events (Easter, Christmas, etc) don't 'offend' them. Have we all become so sensitive that the mere mention of Jesus is offensive? I wonder if any of the people scared of offending non-believers have ever actually bothered to find out if they are offended, or is it just an assumption? I suspect the latter.

    3. Christians are easy targets. People know that (for the most part) Christians will just sit and cop anything thrown their way. Try publicly ridiculing or taking the religious element out of a Muslim or Jewish festival and see what happens.


    If you don't believe in Christianity, that's your decision. If you don't want to partake in Christian events/festivals, then don't - but don't try to hide their true meaning from others.
    Ludicrousity said...
    That's all I'm trying to say Rob. You said it well.

    Whoever you are anon, I'm not saying that most people care about religious backgrounds of public holidays. I get that a lot of people couldn't care less and it's about time off and food for them. That's fine. You say that's what you do. However, there is still a reason that we celebrate Easter inthe first place. I wonder why it is we have become so anti-Christian that you can't even mention Jesus anymore without being weird.
    Anonymous said...
    gee u people make me laugh, open your eyes, even before pre muslim days easter was considered a break and chance to fill up on cholate. who is trying to hide easter, i thought christainty was 24/7. not 3 days at easter and a big one in december.
    Ludicrousity said...
    No one said it was. But it's one of 2 times a year that there is a public event around the idea of Christianity. I'm not saying everyone needs to go to church or get involved in the idea. I'm just wondering why people won't even acknowledge it in conversation, public or otherwise.
    Anonymous said...
    maybe because it does not mean much to some of us, Do you sing happy birth to the queen in june or just enjoy the long week end.
    Anonymous said...
    maybe there is too much talk and very little action
    Ludicrousity said...
    You're not understanding me, I'm not saying that everyone has to celebrate the real meaning of easter or christmas. Listen to what I'm saying instead of assuming you know what I'm saying.

    I don't celebrate the queen's birthday, but I don't shy away from the fact that that's what it is. We don't call it a non-specific royalty birth celebration june weekend. So why do we do that with easter/christmas?
    Anonymous said...
    i don't understand what you are tring to say. you say we don't all have to celerbarate easter but it sounds like you want us all to celebrate easter. live your life the way u want and leave others to live there's
    Ludicrousity said...
    I'm not saying everyone has to celebrate easter. I'm just confused by the fact that people feel the need to re-label it to remove the reason it exists in the first place. Read what I've said. Not once have to I said people need to celebrate it or change their belief system. Just that it's strange that people try to change why easter exists when we don't do that to anythign else (apart from Christmas, but that's the same issue). We don't change the queen's birthday weekend from what it was established as, so why easter or christmas?
    Ross said...
    Megan, I read your letter in yesterday's Age, and couldn't agree more. Easter may have originally been a pagan fertility festival before it was Christianized, but the death and resurrection of Jesus is surely worth commemorating. It is, after all, the central fact of our faith.
    Ludicrousity said...
    I made the age yesterday? Awesome! I didn't get around to getting a copy. Damn! I'll have to see if I can get my hands on one! Thanks Ross!
    Ludicrousity said...
    Here is my letter that got in the paper:

    Easter is about Jesus
    I was at the John Butler Trio gig on Friday, and afterwards the Doctor wished us a happy "non-denominational, non-religious-specific April long weekend". What the . . ? It's one thing for someone not to agree with Christianity and the whole thing about Easter and Jesus. That's everyone's choice. But why do we need to hide that Easter is about Jesus, whether you are a Christian or not?
    Megan Orrin, Rosanna
    Glen O'Brien said...
    I can't believe people are not getting what you're saying. It's very clear to me and an excellent point. As for Easter being originally a pagan spring festival, this claim needs a little nuancing. Easter was originally called Pascha, a word derived from the Hebrew for Passover. The connection of Easter with the name of a pagan goddess is a disputed point among historians. Some scholars believe that the word “Easter” comes from the Anglo-Saxon spring goddess, Eostre, whose festival coincided with the Spring equinox. Since Easter takes place in Spring in the northern hemisphere, it came to be applied to the Paschal Feast. Others reject this on the basis that at the time when the word first began to be used in the churches of Britain, the church was particularly concerned about syncretism and was trying to keep pagan associations out of church practice as much as possible, which is what leads many scholars to doubt that “Easter” had reference to the pagan goddess in its earliest Christian origins, but rather to the earlier and more innocent use of “Spring.” (Of course it is only a Western usage really as the Orthodox churches still prefer the older Hebrew word “pascha.”) Another explanation for the word “Easter” is that it is derived from the Frankish word for ”white,” the colour of the robes worn by the priests in the resurrection service. When this word was translated into German it was mistranslated as oster, which means “sunrise” and the German oster then became the English “Easter” from the time of the Saxon invasions of England. So, the exact origin of the word is shrouded in the mists of antiquity. However, whatever the pagan associations of the word may or may not be it is certainly no longer a pagan word. It is a Christian word now, completely removed from whatever earlier connotations it may once have had, and universally recognised as the greatest of all Christian celebrations.
    Ludicrousity said...
    Thanks Glen! That was very helpful! You're like a walking encyclopedia!
    Steve Chatelier said...
    Hey Megan - I think you raise an interesting question. I guess there is no answer, but here are some thoughts...

    I think part of the problem is that having such a publicised Christian event reminds the mostly non-Christian Australian population of the dominant place Christianity has held in the West.

    The existence of Ramadan is generally not a problem for us in Aus because Islam has always been, and continues to be, a minority religion.

    We do not have public holidays because of Ramadan, so nobody who is not Muslim feels that it imposes on their lives.

    While people are obviously more than happy to take the holiday, giving it a Christian meaning when they are not Christian may understandably seem a little fake.

    It seems to me this is all part of Christianity's "cross to bear" as a result of Christendom.
    So, why cover up what it's all about? Maybe because people don't care, don't believe and aren't interested??
    Ludicrousity said...
    Great thoughts Steve. And I agree. However, I still don't think that is a good enough reason to cover up the reason for Easter. Don't celebrate it, by all means do what you like, but don't call it something it's not. That's all I'm trying to say.
    Ross said...
    Thanks for the clarification, Glen, and allowing us all to tap your fount of knowledge.
    Anonymous said...
    Heya. Did you see the reply to your email in the Age on the 10th?
    She spelled your name wrong :P
    Rob said...
    needsapseudonym, are you able to post the reply? I don't get the age.
    Anonymous said...
    Welcome sarcasm

    Megan Orris complains about being wished a "non-denominational, non-religious-specific April long weekend" (Letters, 9/4). How nice for her to be part of the cultural majority. Having put up with a "happy Easter" from every well-meaning shop assistant for the past week (um... thanks... I guess), it's nice to be included in someone's well wishes for the long weekend, no matter how sarcastically it was intended.

    Rebecca Stephenson, Surrey Hills
    The Age, Tuesday April 10
    Scott said...
    Understand your point, but from the context, I can't really see the reason for a non-christian, to wish a crowd of people from varying backgrounds a "Happy Easter" with all the connotations that involves for those who choose to believe in Jesus literal resurection. Wouldn't it sound quite rediculos if in November I wished you a Happy Ramadam?

    I personally think the problem is more with the meaningless of platitudes like "Happy Easter", "Merry Christmas", even "Have a good Weekend", I sometimes think is a waste of breath. They are phrases we have become conditioned to trot out from time to time when the occasion seems appropriate, and not when we necessarily genuinely have any real wish for the individuals we are saying this to.
    Ludicrousity said...
    I agree Scott, I wish we thought more about what we said. I wish people meant: 'how are you?', or 'have a nice day', instead of it just being an automated response.

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